Hi Everyone,

"English Gematria": can English Gematria prove God's existence?

Gematria can be used to tie identical meanings of (Hebrew to English
or Greek to English) words mathematically together. However this provides
only one witness - and the bible says that three are needed to establish a matter.

The addition of Theological connections within biblical text (called Theomatics) adds
a second witness. And clear and concise wording of Scripture elsewhere provides the third.
"at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established" (Deut 19:15)

So "Yes" it can, but not by itself. One witness shall not establish a matter.

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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J wrote:

Gematria can be used to tie identical meanings of (Hebrew to English or Greek to English) words mathematically together. However this provides only one witness - and the bible says that three are needed to establish a matter. The addition of Theological connections within biblical text (called Theomatics) adds a second witness. And clear and concise wording of Scripture elsewhere provides the third. "at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established" (Deut 19:15). So "Yes" it can, but not by itself. One witness shall not establish a matter.

Ed,

You're wanting to use "witness" to personify gematria? Uh...if so, then you have Hebrew Gematria, Greek Isopsephy (gematria), and Simple English Gematria.

On the Cross was a placard that had written in the three languages of Hebrew, Greek, Latin...



2,000 years ago, Jesus(74) was written as IESVS(74) in Latin. 'The King'=74, Judeans=74, Cross=74, placards=74.

Hi Brad,

I'm not sure you understand what I'm saying, so I will try to spell it out a little better.
Here's how I understand things: (I will say the same thing using different words)

A. "Gematria" is the method of assigning a numerical value to words.
B. "Theomatics" uses Gematria factors to associate Theological ideas together.
C. The "Third Witness" illustrates this Theomatic structure in the bible is NOT by chance.


The one writing the Scripture is one witness. And clear and concise .......... (1. The Father himself hath borne witness John 5:36-37)
wording of Scripture elsewhere provides a second witness. ......................... (2. Christ crucified is the sign given to the world 1Cor 1:22)
And the matter is established using "Theomatics". ......................................... (3. Theomatics is God's wisdom given to the world 1Cor 1:22)

Gematria by itself establishes NOTHING.
And after all, isn't that what people
have been telling you all along?


"But I have greater witness than that of John(#3): for the works which the Father hath given me to finish(#2),
the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. And the Father himself(#1),
which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. (John 5:36-37) ALL THREE WITNESS ARE ALLUDED TO.

1. The Father
2, The Son
3. The Spirit

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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Hi Ed!

Thanks For Having This Great Subject (Gematria)

Love To Share...As Time Permits...

Genesis 1:1 (In the=56) beginning God (created=56) the heavens and the earth.

Examples...Of Correlation Genesis 1:3 (light=56) (Three=56 /Father-Son-Spirit) "Context"

(Rule=56) (Term=56) Revelation 4:11 “You are worthy, O Lord,
To receive glory and honor and power;
For You( created=56)all things,
And by Your( will=56) they exist and were( created=56).” Your kingdom come, Your( will=56) be done in earth, as it is in heaven. Matthew 6:10

(Holy Bible=90) (Word Fact=90) (Reality=90)

(Reveal=63) (Divine=63) (Meaning=63)

JESUS=74 JEWISH=74 MESSIAH=74 CROSS=74 FINISHED=74 CONNECT=74 POINT=74 (ENGLISH=74) (GOSPEL=74) (GEMATRIA=74)

PURE=60 HOLY=60 WORD=60 PRAY=60 BELIEVE=60

(EXACT=53 SUM=53) (GOD IS =54 LOVE =54)

JESUS Gave A Great Numeric Insight - John 21:11 The ( 153 ) Fish Count (Number Letter=153) (Numeric Proof=153) (God Set IN Order=153)

A -- Z Genesis -- Revelation 66 Books / (Blessed=66) (The Amen=66) (Faithful=83) (Numeric=83) (Author=83) (GOD BLESS=83)

(ALL GLORY TO GOD)

Hi Rick, welcome!

Can you see my point then? Which is:
Gematria by itself proves nothing.

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Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Yes Ed!

It's a Part Of God's Design / Structure... (The Roots Of Creation, Already Exist) "Man" Must Seek And Find The Connections...And They Will Correlate Perfectly IN HIS WRITTEN WORD! (IN CONTEXT) Proverbs 25:2

(HAPPY=66) (BLESSED=66) (RESURRECTION=165) (PROCESS PROOF=165)

(CHRIST=77) (GLORY=77) (POWER=77)

Shalom~

Rick

Shalom Rick,

Great! Please feel free to start a thread on your research.
That way we can compare notes. Again welcome!

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Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Thanks Ed!

i see what your saying about three witness in christ fred and mary

THE FATHER
THE WORD
THE HOLY GHOST
AND THESE THREE ARE ONE
THESE THREE ARE ONE=171=THE SPIRIT OF GOD=171
HE THAT BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD HATH THE WITNESS IN HIMSELF

FOR THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN=391 =251=232 US
THE WITNESS OF GOD=189 IT IS HE THAT SITTETH UPON THE CIRCLE OF THE EARTH
THE CIRCLE OF THE EARTH=189=TWELVE THOUSAND=189 TIMES TWELVE THOUSAND=
THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND=391
MAY THE CIRCLE BE UNBROKEN=229=THE STRENGTH OF ISRAEL229
UNBROKEN=100=74 NOT A BONE OF HIS BODY WAS BROKEN
BONE=36=JUDA=36
THREE WITNESSES=189
IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT BEARTH WITNESS
record=63=YHVH=63

FredandMary wrote:

i see what your saying about three witness in christ fred and mary

Hi FredandMary,

No, that's not what I'm saying.
Your example is like saying this...

"if you don't believe me, I will get Bob
and Stan and they'll say the same thing, so why
don't you save yourself some time and just believe me."

That's "NOT" three witness, but only one witness, repeated
three times. I hope you can see the difference in what I'm saying.

1. Biblical verses provide only one witness,
2. it is corroborated by another biblical writer,
3. and verified by the evidence of "Theomatics."

These three witness "DO" establish a matter, but stringing
a bunch of words together to match numerical totals doesn't.

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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

FredandMary wrote:

THE FATHER
THE WORD
THE HOLY GHOST
AND THESE THREE ARE ONE
THESE THREE ARE ONE=171=THE SPIRIT OF GOD=171
HE THAT BELIEVETH ON THE SON OF GOD HATH THE WITNESS IN HIMSELF
THERES ONLY ONE WITNESS
FOR THERE ARE THREE THAT BEAR RECORD IN HEAVEN=391 =251=232 US
THE WITNESS OF GOD=189 IT IS HE THAT SITTETH UPON THE CIRCLE OF THE EARTH
THE CIRCLE OF THE EARTH=189=TWELVE THOUSAND=189 TIMES TWELVE THOUSAND=
THE HUNDRED AND FORTY AND FOUR THOUSAND=391
MAY THE CIRCLE BE UNBROKEN=229=THE STRENGTH OF ISRAEL229
UNBROKEN=100=74 NOT A BONE OF HIS BODY WAS BROKEN
BONE=36=JUDA=36
THREE WITNESSES=189
IT IS THE SPIRIT THAT BEARTH WITNESS

Hi FredandMary,

I'm not against you stringing words together to match numerical totals, but understand
that this practice proves nothing. (Please read my previous post to understand why)

Numbers have no meaning (in and of themselves), it is ONLY their association
to biblical doctrine that can be considered as evidence for design.
Stringing a bunch of words together doesn't prove anything.

At least the number 391 has a biblical association,
which is the Gematria total of Jesus' name in Hebrew.

Gematria is then used to draw a biblical connection to 144.
This number, "144", is a known to have Theological connections.
Try to remember that "IS" the topic of this thread. Try to stay on topic.

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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

ok i see better now in christ fred and mary

Hi FredandMary,

Please "DO" continue stringing words together though,
because I'm always on the look out for more "nugs."

Not in this thread though, this thread is to discuss
the merits of Gematria as proof of God's existence.
Biblical word phrases is where the proof of God lays.

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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org