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PostSubject: Unfinished Business   9/22/2018, 16:33

Between just Ed J and myself.
The only rule is to take turns – and post one post each only.

First question /post is up to you Ed.

BTW, how are you?
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PostSubject: Re: Unfinished Business   9/23/2018, 02:20

Hi Miia,

Your incorrect understanding that the Earth is going to be destroyed
is based on a misunderstanding of what Peter wrote in 2Peter 3:10...

"But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night;
in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise,
and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also
and the works that are therein shall be burned up
." (2 Peter 3:10)

...but if we follow down "in context", we read the following...
(the Apostle Paul speaking of these things IN ALL his epistles)

"even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him
hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things
;
in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable
wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction
." (2 Peter 3:15-16)

So I challenge you: Give me at least one place where the Apostle Paul speaks of
in ANY of his epistles, the total destruction of Earth - a scorched Earth cataclysm.


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PostSubject: Re: Unfinished Business   9/23/2018, 02:39

miia wrote:
Between just Ed J and myself.
The only rule is to take turns – and post one post each only.

First question /post is up to you Ed.

BTW, how are you?
Hi Miia,

I'm doing good. Glad to see you posting here again,
as I have known you for almost 10 years now!

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in Christ
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PostSubject: Re: Unfinished Business   9/23/2018, 16:46

Hi Ed. That's good you are doing good! Ten years yes.

Paul speaks about the Day of the Lord which Peter, and Jesus write about also.

1 Thessalonians 5 English Standard Version (ESV)

The Day of the Lord

5 Now concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need to have anything written to you. 2 For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.3 While people are saying, “There is peace and security,” then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape. 4 But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. 5 For you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness. 6 So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, are drunk at night. 8 But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet the hope of salvation. 9 For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us so that whether we are awake or asleep we might live with him. 11 Therefore encourage one another and build one another up, just as you are doing.

2 Thessalonians 1 English Standard Version (ESV)

The Judgment at Christ's Coming

5 This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering— 6 since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, 7 and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels 8 in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.
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PostSubject: Re: Unfinished Business   9/23/2018, 18:33

Hi Miia,

I'm glad you found 2Thess 1:8, and yes that's as close as it gets.
However it does not say the earth gets destroyed by the fire.
only the works of the Earth, which is what I've been saying.
No-where in any of his Epistles is the destruction of Earth.
Next look at 2Peter 3:6, a few verses before 2Peter3:10:

"Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished" (2Peter3:6)

Did the Earth perish; NO!
Look back at the beginning of this narrative in Genesis 6:13...

"And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me;
for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold,
I will destroy them with the earth." (Genesis 6:13)

Was the Earth destroyed by the flood; NO!
Likewise the Earth will not be destroyed by the fire... only the works of the Earth.

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PostSubject: Re: Unfinished Business   9/23/2018, 19:48

Hi Ed.

What would you define as 'the works of the Earth'?

(I will return to those verses shortly).
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PostSubject: Re: Unfinished Business   9/24/2018, 01:41

miia wrote:
Hi Ed.

What would you define as 'the works of the Earth'?

Hi Miia,

Good question! That question is answered in the following verse...

"Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones,
wood, hay, stubble; Every man's work shall be made manifest: for
the day (of the LORD) shall declare it
, because it shall be revealed by fire;
and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.

If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved;
yet so as by fire." (1 Cor 3:12-15)

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PostSubject: Re: Unfinished Business   9/26/2018, 10:46

Hi Ed,

Your own words please grinning

You said "the Earth will not be destroyed by the fire... only the works of the Earth.".

So please in your own words without scripture explain what 'the works' are which will be destroyed.

Thank you.

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PostSubject: Re: Unfinished Business   9/27/2018, 09:51

miia wrote:
Hi Ed,

Your own words please grinning

You said "the Earth will not be destroyed by the fire... only the works of the Earth.".

So please in your own words without scripture explain what 'the works' are which will be destroyed.

Thank you.

Hi Miia,

Glad to see you are now open to  
that God may not be telling us a scorched earth destruction of Earth.

What are the works of the Earth that get burned up...
It begins with your understanding of the word "Rudiments"
(which is what melts with fervent heat, translated as 'elements')

Rudiments
(G-4747) στοιχεια stoy-khi'-on
element, principle, rudiment.

Neuter of a presumed derivative of the base of stoicheo; something orderly in arrangement, i.e. (by implication) a serial (basal, fundamental, initial) constituent (literally), proposition (figuratively) -- element, principle, rudiment.

Here it is in my words for you, The works of the earth are:
the basic premise of God's word they got wrong, and will be burned up.

like a scorched earth destruction of Earth - that you were formerly promoting

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PostSubject: Re: Unfinished Business   10/2/2018, 22:35

Sorry Ed I've been very busy (first time I have been on the computer).

No I still believe in a scorched Earth as visions and scripture have shown me. I will never change that belief, unless God changed the idea.

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The works of the earth are:
the basic premise of God's word they got wrong, and will be burned up.

That is not what Peter said or meant, in fact Peter said very clearly (before describing the end of this world with literal fire) that "No prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." (2nd Peter 1:20) which is exactly what you are doing.
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PostSubject: Re: Unfinished Business   10/3/2018, 06:42

Hi Miia,

Why are you saying my understanding is a private interpretation of Scripture, but yours isn't?
Could I not say the exact same thing of your view? Explain for me exactly
what private interpretation of Scripture is?

...and please don't say my view is an example.
I did not ask for an example, but an explanation.

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PostSubject: Re: Unfinished Business   10/9/2018, 21:07

Ed J wrote:
Hi Miia,

Why are you saying my understanding is a private interpretation of Scripture, but yours isn't? Could I not say the exact same thing of your view? Explain for me exactly
what private interpretation of Scripture is?

Hi Ed. Because.. I am saying exactly what Peter said whereas you are claiming he did not literally mean what he said. Peter says "10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, and then the heavens will pass away with a roar, and the heavenly bodies will be burned up and dissolved."...…."12 waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn."(2 Peter 3), which is what I am saying. You say Peter did not mean that, Peter meant that false beliefs are all that will be destroyed.

Question: In the following verse in your opinion, did God mean what he said, or did God mean that false beliefs will be burnt up?

Malachi 4:1 “For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace, when all the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble; the day is coming when I will set them ablaze,” says the LORD of Hosts. “Not a root or branch will be left to them.”
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PostSubject: Re: Unfinished Business   10/12/2018, 10:17

miia wrote:

Hi Ed.

You say Peter did not mean that, Peter meant that false beliefs are all that will be destroyed.

Question: In the following verse in your opinion, did God mean what he said, or did God mean that false beliefs will be burnt up?

Malachi 4:1 “For behold, the day is coming, burning like a furnace, when all the arrogant and every evildoer will be stubble; the day is coming when I will set them ablaze,” says the LORD of Hosts. “Not a root or branch will be left to them.”
Hi Miia,

If you read the context both before and after: you will see this too
is not about killing them, but about burning up their false beliefs,
and how God's words keeps their false beliefs from procreating:

Before:
"Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked,
between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not." (Mal 3:18)

After:
"And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles
of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts." (Mal 4:3)

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PostSubject: Re: Unfinished Business   10/22/2018, 20:59

Hi Ed,
I can't see that. I only see it meaning exactly what it says.


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PostSubject: Re: Unfinished Business   12/3/2018, 03:25

miia wrote:
Hi Ed,
I can't see that. I only see it meaning exactly what it says.


Hi Miia,

"And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles
of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts." (Mal 4:3)

How are we treading down the wicked then?
And how will they be ashes under our feet?

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