English Gemetria was not taught anywhere by Jesus.

Hi Solique,

It is believed that when this Scripture was written down the only numbering system the Hebrews had was "Gematria"(74).

"Therefore will I divide him ("Jesus"(74)) a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong;
because he hath poured out his soul unto death ("cross"=74):
and he ("Jesus"=74) was numbered with the transgressors;
and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors."  (Isaiah 53:12)

So it is "God" who leads us on the trail of Gematria(74),
"English"(74) is just one of the means God has used to fulfill his purposes.

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God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J wrote:

"and he ("Jesus"=74) was numbered with the transgressors" (Isaiah 53:12)

Hi Solique,

...and the transgresses that "Jesus"=74 was numbered with...

1. "Lucifer"=74 (<-- A.K.A. Satan the Devil)
2. Muhammad=74 (<-- the False Prophet of the book of Rev.)

____________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

"It is the glory of God to conceal a thing: but the honor of kings is to search out a matter.
The heaven for height, and the earth for depth, and the heart of kings is unsearchable.
Take away the dross from the silver, and there shall come forth a vessel for the finer." (Prov 25:2-4)

Hi Ed,

But Jesus never spoke English.

Quote :

...and the transgresses that "Jesus"=74 was numbered with...

1. "Lucifer"=74 (<-- A.K.A. Satan the Devil)
2. Muhammad=74 (<-- the False Prophet of the book of Rev.)

So you are numbering Jesus with the same Gemetria number as Satan and Muhammad has?

Very questionable belief IMO.

solique wrote:

Hi Ed,

But Jesus never spoke English.

Quote :

...and the transgresses that "Jesus"=74 was numbered with...

1. "Lucifer"=74 (<-- A.K.A. Satan the Devil)
2. Muhammad=74 (<-- the False Prophet of the book of Rev.)

So you are numbering Jesus with the same Gemetria number as Satan and Muhammad has?

Very questionable belief IMO.

"and he ("Jesus"=74) was numbered with the transgressors"

God has declared this in Isaiah 53:12

"Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors."

Nothing to do with Jesus being a number 74.
Where and why did you learn this?

Ed, I only post here because I know you. NOT because I believe in English Gemetria :D but I am learning to listen to others views with an open mind. I just cannot fall for this "English Gemetria" business. It was NOT taught by Jesus, and it proves nothing IMO.

solique wrote:

Where and why did you learn this?

Hi Solique,

I usually do not talk about Theomatic numbers in Scripture with most newer Christians,
but Atheists and those claiming to be Agnostic are different, needing the exposure,
as personal testimony of "God” means  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to these people.
So let me tell you mine: I have had my understanding of God for 30 years
before numbers (such as you see in my Posts) were introduced to me.

Have any of you ever seen the movie called ‘Bruce Almighty’ with Jim Cary?
There is a driving scene where Bruce cries out to God... “God show me a sign”!
He drives past one sign that says “Bridge Out” and then another that says “Caution”.
He is completely oblivious to the “many signs”, continuing towards an incomplete Bridge.
That is how numbers were for me, “no interest” “didn't care” and still I kept seeing the number 54,
but didn't have a clue as to why? Then I was introduced to a book called Theomatics II by Author Del Washburn.

Or Are you familiar with the Prophet Amos?
Amos 7:14 ...I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son;
but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit: And the LORD took
me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel.

Well my story is very similar, God still uses people today and God has called me
to write a book that now documents the very “PROOF of God's existence”.
I have no buffeting spirit, like the Apostle Paul had, as I have no ego.
YHVH=63 has even wrote about me in his book: “The Bible”=63.

This has only been done (as I see things) to be used as conclusive proof of GOD's existence.
Without it, I would be considered just another “crackpot”, in a long history of ‘crackpots’.
My good friend Gary Robb once said: “Nobody can know everything about everything”.
But God's kingdom is “real” and the extent of this proof is yet to be revealed to all.

Sorry for the Autobiography, but it is necessary to this thread.
Numbers are corroborative evidence only; nothing more.
I have learned based on numbers: No “Theology”,
though satan might tell you all differently!

____________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

solique wrote:

Nothing to do with Jesus being a number 74.

Hi Solique,

Let me ask you, who are the number 1 and number 2 transgressors according to "The Bible"?

____________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

solique wrote:

Ed, I only post here because I know you. NOT because I believe in English Gemetria :D but I am learning to listen to others views with an open mind. I just caNOT fall for this "English Gemetria" business. It was NOT taught by Jesus, and it proves nothing IMO.

If you don't know anything about "Gematria", why would you seek to discredit it?

"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." (Prov 18:13)

I only showed you the start of the trail, but there is much more to prove that the pattern was orchestrated by "God".
Please entertain me and tell me who are the number 1 and number 2 transgressors according to "The Bible"?

...are they not....
1. Satan the devil...   and
2. The false prophet of Rev.

____________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Ed J wrote:

If you don't know anything about "Gematria", why would you seek to discredit it?

"He that answereth a matter before he heareth it, it is folly and shame unto him." (Prov 18:13)

I have heard enough Gemetria over the years to know what I know about it.

Quote :

I only showed you the start of the trail, but there is much more to prove that the pattern was orchestrated by "God".

There are many patterns of God in nature (such as the spiral) but not English Gemetria IMO.

Quote :

Please entertain me and tell me who are the number 1 and number 2 transgressors according to "The Bible"?

...are they not....
1. Satan the devil...   and
2. The false prophet of Rev.

So....... what's that got to do with number 74?

Ed J wrote:

solique wrote:

Where and why did you learn this?

Hi Solique,

I usually do not talk about Theomatic numbers in Scripture with most newer Christians,
but Atheists and those claiming to be Agnostic are different, needing the exposure,
as personal testimony of "God” means  ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to these people.
So let me tell you mine: I have had my understanding of God for 30 years
before numbers (such as you see in my Posts) were introduced to me.

Have any of you ever seen the movie called ‘Bruce Almighty’ with Jim Cary?
There is a driving scene where Bruce cries out to God... “God show me a sign”!
He drives past one sign that says “Bridge Out” and then another that says “Caution”.
He is completely oblivious to the “many signs”, continuing towards an incomplete Bridge.
That is how numbers were for me, “no interest” “didn't care” and still I kept seeing the number 54,
but didn't have a clue as to why? Then I was introduced to a book called Theomatics II by Author Del Washburn.

Or Are you familiar with the Prophet Amos?
Amos 7:14 ...I was no prophet, neither was I a prophet's son;
but I was an herdman, and a gatherer of sycomore fruit: And the LORD took
me as I followed the flock, and the LORD said unto me, Go, prophesy unto my people Israel.

Well my story is very similar, God still uses people today and God has called me
to write a book that now documents the very “PROOF of God's existence”.
I have no buffeting spirit, like the Apostle Paul had, as I have no ego.
YHVH=63 has even wrote about me in his book: “The Bible”=63.

This has only been done (as I see things) to be used as conclusive proof of GOD's existence.
Without it, I would be considered just another “crackpot”, in a long history of ‘crackpots’.
My good friend Gary Robb once said: “Nobody can know everything about everything”.
But God's kingdom is “real” and the extent of this proof is yet to be revealed to all.

Sorry for the Autobiography, but it is necessary to this thread.
Numbers are corroborative evidence only; nothing more.
I have learned based on numbers: No “Theology”,
though satan might tell you all differently!

____________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

Yes, I have heard that before

solique wrote:

Quote :

Please entertain me and tell me who are the number 1 and number 2 transgressors according to "The Bible"?

...are they not....
1. Satan the devil...   and
2. The false prophet of Rev.

So....... what's that got to do with number 74?

       
Here, I'll give it to you again...

"and he ("Jesus"=74) was numbered with the transgressors"

1. "Lucifer"=74            (<-- A.K.A. Satan the Devil)
2. Muhammad=74     (<-- the False Prophet of the book of Rev.)

You can't say it dosn't line up correctly, all you can say is 'it doesn't count'.

____________
God bless
Ed J (Joshua 22:34)
http://www.holycitybiblecode.org

What about the book of NUMBERS CAN WE DISCARD IT